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adlai upst^H^H^H^Hdnstreams to peripherals, and their evils
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-03 14:47:27 asciilifeform: and incidentally most folx indeed 'can't see'. they then wonder where the chronic headaches come from.
adlai hears 'deathrays' on a weekly, if not daily, basis; although most likely culprits, other than the easy target of "pass the lsd", are power adapters in various devices
adlai: incidentally, that is why I loathe electronics.
adlai: however, my easy approach is simply to deny that the headaches exist, and most importantly, to minimise use of a device identified unambiguously as emitting.
adlai: once that's out of the way: my prime interest in the forseeable decade of junkyard wars is dealing with garbage displays, i.e. the kind of flatscreen TVs that asciilifeform would sell on ebay for "I don't care if nobody bids, just take this thing away from the torture chamber, it's starting to stink."
adlai is aware that more than his conscious lifetime of engineer-years have gone into cost-cutting the retinal tomfoolery of "over 9k dpi", that does not mean that the garbage must be fed to a dumpster fire.
adlai: and yes, this is entirely "ricing out my monitor[s]", so that I don't have to buy overpriced crapple.
adlai: [pointing a camera at the running display is a laughable waste of electricity, although does justify the unpaid labor, in certain cases.]
adlai: and on to yer favorite, "adlai babbling about things he doesn't fully understand": aiui, even in cooled solid-state quantum wankage, these devices rot at rates proportional, at some exponent, to power consumption of each individual cell; yet ...
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-19 12:11:29 snsabot: (trilema) 2016-04-07 asciilifeform: i dug out the 1-bit cpu because i have a weakness for exotic archs that might be amenable to optical or otherwise 'this handful of switching elements' incarnation.
adlai: yet, if you've got a few dozen thousand of these doing the work of one higher-arity automaton's grid element, doesn't your debugging process still end up quite similar: one failed hardware element requires you to recompile a metric crapload of adjacent routage?
adlai: 'arity' might be the wrong word, ofc. I'm going off my "reads and talks" experience here.
adlai is imagining a "sierpinski 3-cube" of small-even-integer-arity photonics, so that we discuss a slightly more practical example than "light-year of SISC"
adlai: small-even, rather than smallest-integer, to enable crossings.
adlai: as you approach the Landauer limit, your world changes from "giant gobs of nanoparticle" to "quasiparticles on the surface of the fractal"
adlai: coolant left as an exercise for the professionals.
adlai: crossings are admittedly a nightmare for garbage flow analysis, although they are what enables "buy computronium by the kg" instead of "buy ComputronInside by the fractal-dimension-squigglemetre"
adlai: most likely, both in the quantum wankage [and close to the Landauer limit], and in the "battlestation worth its weight in FPGA die" world.
asciilifeform: << inductor whine.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-19 18:47:02 adlai: hears 'deathrays' on a weekly, if not daily, basis; although most likely culprits, other than the easy target of "pass the lsd", are power adapters in various devices
asciilifeform: often enuff you can buy an equiv. power brick w/out the whine.
adlai oughtta, someday real soon, figure out how to triangulate inductor whine from a single constant-radial-speed cervical "no" gesture
asciilifeform: adlai: get 1 of those audio-heterodyne headphone things used to search for the whistle of gas leak
adlai: alternatively, donate garbage and braincase to truck, and wish better luck to the next generation.
asciilifeform: << i dun actually sit on a scrapyard, lol
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-19 18:49:37 adlai: once that's out of the way: my prime interest in the forseeable decade of junkyard wars is dealing with garbage displays, i.e. the kind of flatscreen TVs that asciilifeform would sell on ebay for "I don't care if nobody bids, just take this thing away from the torture chamber, it's starting to stink."
adlai: that could be useful, although I doubt any walk-in junk shop sells them.
adlai does not live in Waltonstan, after all.
asciilifeform: << i gotta bite : why on satan's green earth wouldja buy a crapple display ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-19 18:51:46 adlai: and yes, this is entirely "ricing out my monitor[s]", so that I don't have to buy overpriced crapple.
adlai is using the term generically!
adlai: "state-of-the-art beautiful hardware, priced by the brand"
asciilifeform speaking of displaywank -- aboutta uncrate a ev3285
adlai: as opposed to "garbage with serial number filed off, purchased from lemon yard, plastic casings packaged separately"
adlai is seriously considering, in case this was not crystal clear by now, 5th and 6th decades of life on this green earth as electronics junkyard proprietor.
asciilifeform: adlai: it'sa living
adlai: those are high numbers for as young an idiot as I to be banking on; however, it seems like a more honest career than "let's pretend all the pixels are square"
adlai: cartesian, rectangular, etc.
adlai has a short-term usecase for "any large display that falls off someone else's garbage truck" of displaying market data, a field sufficiently nonlinear and ... whatsthatword, that rectangular pixels are not required.
adlai: the word probably is 'cartesian', i.e., opposite of curvilinear.
adlai should probably avoid excessive neologising, despite the temptation.
asciilifeform: adlai: displays w/ market data ? are you aboutta take up manually-cranked buy-cheap-sell-dear ?
asciilifeform: ( didntcha have a commonlisp bot for this ? )
adlai: yes; whether that Faustian Bargain eats my soul completely should be resolved beyond reasonable doubt before the 4th decade is out.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-12-28 11:47:43 asciilifeform: chrematism, i'm firmly convinced, is the exact sort of sin the ancients saw it as : is intensely tempting w/ all kindsa sweets, and will easily destroy yer soul -- but only if yer ~successful~ in it.
adlai is currently in the "wasting picasso that fell off garbage truck" phase of building the program
adlai: and no, it is not a goose that pisses golden guano; it is more like a stupid child that trades baseball cards for pogs in the hope of being able to buy a digimon bootleg tape.
adlai has, however, allocated a few more years of "phree man-months" to this
asciilifeform: adlai: 1 of asciilifeform's consultingisms is actually for an outfit that makes such instruments as you described, for manually-cranked traders.
BingoBoingo: whaack: Pretty sure I saw waves you would like here, not sure full year's weather cooperates with the water sports
adlai: mmhm, and the various "mom and pop shop" CL programmer consultancies are all over the place. you may have even worked at one of those!
adlai does wonder whether 'instruments' refers to hardware; 'financial instruments' (lol!); or bloatware for replacing exchange website bloatware.
asciilifeform: adlai: i mention because, funny thing, found self having to study at length what exactly traders do, how/why etc
asciilifeform: adlai: softs
adlai: I guess there is an "option four", i.e. "do not replace the bloated exchange website; enhance!"
asciilifeform: ( they tend to get sold in complex w/ irons, is my current understanding, because to trader cost of whatever comp is rather like cost of candy wrapper )
adlai: that's also the impression I get, from what traders expound.
adlai: even the ones who have negative real net worth, i.e. are trading someone else's wealth, while their own is mortgaged, are slinging amounts that either earn them a new workstation per whenevertheywant, or run them bankrupt soon enough that nobody cares.
adlai does not recommend that kind of risk appetite, although that is what most do.
adlai realizes now that he misread the word is as being past tense!
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-19 19:24:13 asciilifeform: adlai: 1 of asciilifeform's consultingisms is actually for an outfit that makes such instruments as you described, for manually-cranked traders.
adlai: always good to know there's still competition; it betrays the existence of a target market, outside of the proverbial 'lsd fantasy'
asciilifeform: adlai: it's simply one of 'over 9000' industrial niches where SoftwareSucks(tm)
adlai goes back to 'paralegal'-ing the quest through search engine spew about "sleeker and cheaper than CRT"
adlai: 'paralegal' for patent clerk, ofc!
asciilifeform: adlai: what were you looking for , again? cheap highres display to tile wall with ?
adlai: exact opposite.
adlai: "how to best use that one specific piece of hardware"
asciilifeform: aa, already have it then ?
adlai: bog-standard television, with more input ports than options for computer that drives them.
asciilifeform: a
adlai thus has to actually start understanding what goes down the various VGA/RGB/HDMI/etc
adlai: and, what pixels actually exist in that specific hardware item; although, that is the least interesting question.
asciilifeform: these tend to suffer from oddball pixel geometries (not simply 'not square' -- but e.g. triangular) and problems w/ bw (i.e. stuck at 30hz) -- but this may not matter if yer displaying numbers
adlai is repeatedly, throughout this thread, reminded of some standup comedian's joke about "visit meth head, find him sitting on floor, staring at unplugged television"
adlai: ehh, not quite displaying numbers, although easiest "let's use this metric pixelage" is to just pipe a terminal at it, for some reasonably suboptimal resolution.
adlai envisions displaying shape of crapflow
adlai: where 'crapflow' ~= what ends up projected downto idjit "candlestick charts"
adlai: and, of course, the orderbooks.
adlai has been swimming in this liquishit for too many years, and seriously, does not want to talk about it. it is depressing.
asciilifeform: adlai: a la shitstamp's ?
adlai: nope; less-cartesian view of higher-dimensional clusterfuck that gets twodimensionalised into those.
asciilifeform: adlai: what'll the corresponding input device look like ? e.g. two 'whack-a-mole' buttons labeled 'buy' and 'sell' ?
adlai: tbh, although the nerdorkgeek in me wants to say "kbd lol", the answer will probably be some varyant of rat, ball, or even - god forbid! joystick.
adlai: ball mouse without ball is probably good enough: two axes, few buttons.
asciilifeform pictures flight sim yoke, adapted for trading, where the latter is modelled as flying ufo between algorithmically shat landscape
adlai does not envision anything useful for speed-clickers... asciilifeform has the correct idea.
adlai: isn't telepathy efficient !
asciilifeform: adlai: you can in fact model it as 'collision avoidance' problem. catch is, the 'mountains' are in a fog.
adlai: good noose is that target market is small enough that it should not matter if competitor builds ~identical widget for selling in overpriced genius bar crapple shops.
asciilifeform: ( 'collision' in this case is going broke , or in general case to go below some critical value of net )
adlai: no mountains, no fog; river, salmon, grizzlies.
asciilifeform: oblig.
adlai: sourceforge subdomains ain't gonna cure my depression
adlai clix
adlai: much better than expected; tyvm, asciilifeform :)
asciilifeform: adlai: i haven't actually tried the remake. did play the orig. msdos one tho, in early '90s
adlai: 'myabandonware' site tldrs as: ``Perestroika (a.k.a. Toppler) is a fun game by a small Russian developer called Locis, who promptly disappeared after this "one hit wonder.",,
asciilifeform: that one sucked imho
asciilifeform: adlai: your 'salmon in river' thing reminded me of the inner game in 'tower' where you end up in the sea and devouring (canned!) fish that swim there
adlai: that metaphor originated from angst at pervasive 'bull vs bear' idiocy
asciilifeform pictures if meteorology field consisted of 'warmists' and 'coldists'
adlai: lmao, 1-star review "this game contains a virus"; dipshit, it's called "having fun with a computer instead of using it to design another computer"
adlai files angry joke under "only people who read all of Asimov's History of the Future will get this" and goes back to humorless anger
adlai: " ... to catch a fish in a bubble with your torpedo and ... " << wait, you're telling me the fish are collateral damage of perfectly conventional weaponry!?
adlai: madness, plasfemi
adlai: maybe sourceforge links occasionally can dispel existential angst!
adlai queues dusting off dosbox at some point to actually play this
adlai can only imagine how much reversers detest these!
adlai: it's "computronium, sold by the kg, priced by the pound", with a dash of "we estimate pounds using a compass; problem?"
adlai: nice example of how 'paralegal algorithm' can result in wasted time: I found plenty of articles comparing projector technologies because of an overloaded acronym. isn't hitech marvellous!
adlai has always considered projectors more useful for blinding, than projection, although that is sadly another example of microscope hammers.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: $34649.52
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.053s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.154s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875
watchglass: : Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875
watchglass: : Alive: (0.107s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666542
watchglass: : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=666873 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.212s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875
watchglass: : Alive: (0.253s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666875
watchglass: : Alive: (0.317s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666176
watchglass: : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
shinohai: asciilifeform: Seal link broken here:
asciilifeform: shinohai: where ? your link broken also
shinohai: err sorry it's <<< the seal for ch21-A
asciilifeform: will take a look, ty
shinohai: np was in process of updating mirror and came across.
asciilifeform: shinohai: fixed! ty
shinohai: tyvm as well
asciilifeform: ~this~ is imho much better metric of 'how many people read' than whatever mechanical counts.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-18 14:52:25 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: loper-os does ~1G/day on avg. (nfi how many exactly 'hits', difficult to count) . was speaking of the log www however.
asciilifeform: shinohai may very well currently be the 1 reader.
shinohai: Well it appears you *do* have readers, but those that write in are very sporadic.
asciilifeform: shinohai: point being that someone who actually downloads the patches, would've noticed and perhaps said sumthing.
shinohai: Kinda makes me wonder if there are peeps not using vtron to press, and instead just downloading vpatches and manually patching.
asciilifeform: shinohai: nobody's admitted to it, but it is obvious possibility for the lazy
shinohai: "You buy 'em books, you send 'em to school ... and the idiots eat the books."
asciilifeform: more or less.
asciilifeform: adlai: re projectors -- i recently decommissioned a XJ-A240. interested to buy ? it's pretty compact, laser-pumped illuminator etc. and i expect would survive shipping.
asciilifeform: adlai: weighs < 3kg. and still as bright as when orig. bought it in 2010.
feedbot: << btcinfo -- Mirror updates for FFA
asciilifeform: shinohai: ^ a++, ty
shinohai: gah for some reason missed the link to the vpatches/seals, will fix.
verisimilitude: My comment system is somewhat akin to this, asciilifeform. Bothering to send an email means more than just filling in a text field and pressing a button.
verisimilitude: I've noticed Gopher users contact me more, and I also tended to contact them more.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: fwiw i'd actually rather get 0 comments, than mp-style 'ohai, i luvved yer www, ENLARGE PENIS NOW' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2021-01-04 14:11:40 asciilifeform: 'match made in heaven', fella who luvvs spamola enuff to BUY it, and spammers.
verisimilitude: That's as any decent man would, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: for that matter, imho 99%+ of the comments to date, were ~not~ a boost to the snr of my www. ( i let'em through the mod queue, as normally do when item does not appears obviously spamological, out of respect to the sender. )
verisimilitude: My most extreme dislike about commentators are when they mention other websites.
verisimilitude: I post them anyway, but if I had wanted to note some trash website, I'd have done so myself.
verisimilitude: Our websites are different in this respect.
asciilifeform learned, from the 'extreme popularity' of the ffa articles, 100% of everything he ever wanted to know about the 'cryptography community'
verisimilitude: Most of the ``cryptography community'' would rather have insurance than working software, right?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'insurance' is very much the wrong word, it aint as if anyone ponied up millions to compensate 'heartbleed' victims
verisimilitude: Perhaps company, then.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what they want in fact is to conform.
shinohai: I always believed they are conditioned to love them upboats, ala
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: good # of'em want to 'look' 'clever' to 'make tenure' etc
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-08-07 asciilifeform: because 'you can't get tenure by saying let's-use-rsa' and you won't get $trillion if you ~do~ dig up the old blueprint
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-03-02 asciilifeform: the 'let's use anything, ANYTHING but rsa' thing really grates on me.
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-03-22 asciilifeform: aaaaanything-but-rsa!!!1111
verisimilitude: I dislike that website. An image hoster fails at simply hosting images.
asciilifeform: shinohai: doesn't load here
shinohai: ah will upload chikun to www when I'm back @ desk.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i wasn't even talking about the redditus; literally don't give rat's arse what they do or 'think'
shinohai doesn't see much difference between HN and reddit tbh. Same lemmings, different banner.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wasn't alleging that there's a diff., or that redditus is only found in the orig. reddit
asciilifeform: the biomass in question is unfortunately nao found just about errywhere.
verisimilitude: That's also mine experience, shinohai.
verisimilitude: They like to think themselves so very clever, yet fail to understand how that stupid voting system is abused.
verisimilitude: A term which has arisen for this is ``bugmen'', asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: familiar w/ 'credo quia absurdum' ?
verisimilitude: I'll hazard a guess at translation.
verisimilitude: Be it ``rules with regards to the absurd''?
asciilifeform: mno
verisimilitude: I've not yet resumed my studies. In any case, what then?
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'i believe because it is absurd'. attributed to the early christians.
verisimilitude: Ah, so similar to ``You are insane because you are not like us.''.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the history is contested, but concept 100% applies. you can't found a religion on '1+1==2' or 'fire is hot'. but on idiocies -- can, makes simple to distinguish 'believers'. in current-day game-theoretical parlance, 'expensive signal'.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: no relation at all
verisimilitude: I saw one, but alright.
asciilifeform bbl
verisimilitude: I'm reminded of Moldbug's writings.
verisimilitude: He wrote of how anyone can believe in the truth, of how lies are uniforms, and with uniforms there are armies.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the idea is at least 2k y.o.
verisimilitude: Yes.

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