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shinohai: "equal voting power" lmao
superkuh: Isn't asic resistance usually "takes a lot of ram"?
superkuh: So resistance just scales inversely to ram processes.
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asciilifeform: superkuh: generally term was used by scammers and their rather gullible victims. e.g. a hash algo that required 1MB was somehow pitched as 'asic resistant', even tho no fab house has any problem fitting 1GB on a die, if you like. linked item has 0 to do with this, however: was re: a supposed 'mine by solving captchas' crackpottery.
asciilifeform: various folx, ranging from cynical fraudsters to naive ignoramuses, proposed schemes for 'non-mechanical', if you will, mining, where somehow 'each bag of meat deserves'. on inspection these 100% of the time turn out to be attempts at slipping in centralization via (not so)clever backdoor.
asciilifeform: see also oblig. classic.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform Occasionally orcs have the Miami illusion broken, but more rubbing faces of Californians and New Yorkers that they are third world now.
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asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
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asciilifeform: !w poll
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cgra: asciilifeform: i've taken a break from trb study and sat on your FFA course bench
asciilifeform: wb cgra. how'd it go ?
cgra: the context strongly suggests i just atm suck at binary thinking, so i came looking for advice to better understand the thought model related to FZ word order. It's been discussed previously, but I didn't get a clue from there enough to understand why isn't junior-word-first worse than senior-word-first
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-04-18 asciilifeform: to sum up the thread, asciilifeform's 'official' position is that this entire subj is exactly naggum's 'tooth licking' -- it is problem only if someone fixates on thinking of it as problem.
cgra: personally, my brain melts at this point (i have no issue with ch 10 diagrams), because while Q's bits really step into R, shifting QR contents *left* strongly suggests the opposite, "QR" has "R" on the right, from where going left, ends up in "Q".
asciilifeform looks
cgra: i didn't understand how ada index syntax would've helped anything. my brain keeps insisting on "why not senior word on FZ'First, junior word on FZ'Last", and get rid of extra "shift zig-zag" thinking pattern
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-04-18 asciilifeform: folx who dun like that ada asks you to write arrays low ... high , can make own lang and write arithmetron for selves in it, it is not a priority for asciilifeform and i dun see an argument for making it one.
asciilifeform: cgra: i don't see where is this alleged 'zigzag'
cgra: possibly only in my brain, i'll try and open it up more:
asciilifeform: cgra: FZ are stored junior-word-first. exactly same as in every other (afaik) bignum system to date.
cgra: shifting left contents of "QR", would imply by name that whatever is on R, drifts into Q. which is not true in this case. when i try to get my head around of the reality, this is where i end up thinking zig-zag.
cgra: where should i look for to understand why junior-word-first?
cgra: just dig libs' code?
asciilifeform: cgra: i cannot picture why you would even contemplate storing'em senior-first. this is like to ask 'why not stand on yer head' imho.
cgra: heh, yes. this must be why it isn't talked much. it's exactly how i feel, too. my brain was wired "left-handed" apparently
asciilifeform: cgra: in principle, it would be possible to do all of ffa in standing-on-head order -- e.g. in add/sub, decrement loops instead of increment, and so on. but ~why~ .
cgra: i keep wanting to think the bignum in "paper order", and i get zig-zag on shifts if they're junior-first, ie. not paper order
cgra: asciilifeform: is "paper order" senior-word first in your mind?
asciilifeform: cgra: i think i can see why you (and at least 1 other reader in the past) confused. you picture Q on left because when writing 'QR' , it is written first. whereas in reality Q refers to the ~bottom~ Dividend'Length-word portion of the register QR.
cgra: my brain wants words to be in same order as in intra-word bits, does that make any more sense?
asciilifeform: cgra: as you read, make a list of cases like this, i'ma consider'em for stylistic fix prior to (future) dead-tree ver. of ffa.
asciilifeform: cgra: my problem arguably is that i have no trouble (unconsciously) flipping left-rights as-needed correctly.
asciilifeform: as i wrote ffa, i pictured registers as physical objects, and rotated'em as-req'd in my head.
cgra: asciilifeform: yeah this, sounds what i meant
asciilifeform: cgra: aha. so, what to you feels like zigzag, to me simply 'looking from behind'. but imho is fair criticism, in all places where e.g. XY, oughta be so that X refers to upper portion of XY, and Y -- to lower .
cgra: right
asciilifeform: in e.g. multiplication, i used explicit 'Lo' and 'Hi' to denote. prolly oughta retrofit same convention to earlier ch's.
asciilifeform: cgra: i gotta go shortly, but do not hesitate to throw ffaisms into the log, i promise to answer'em in detail asap.
cgra: i suppose in the long run, shouldn't hurt to exercise my brain though (for reading versatility), asciilifeform have any idea from where did this model of thinking got stuck?
asciilifeform: cgra: yours or mine ?
cgra: yours
cgra: asciilifeform: i'll take notes of those "zig-zag" issues and let you know sometime in the future
asciilifeform: in example 'QR', i think of Q as lower, given that it appears first. as if were expanded into list, {Q1, Q2, ..., Qk, R1, R2, ..., Rj} of words.
asciilifeform: cgra: does this make sense to you ?
cgra: asciilifeform: i gotta split as well, had really small window of contact here. i'll consider your comments and return when got anything to talk about
asciilifeform: ok. later then.
cgra: laters
shinohai: asciilifeform: "internal server error" when searching logs on yer www

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