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asciilifeform: wb btcinfobot
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: what do you mean 'without text' ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: what commands does the bot support ?
shinohai: nothing besides vwap, got it logging and testing to see how long it will remain online.
shinohai: $vwap
btcinfobot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 11729.14 USD
shinohai: Will, of course, be rewriting all the commands I have listed in http://btc.info.gf/btcinfobot/ for it
verisimilitude: I want to program giving instructions to the machine, not writing text to be fed to the machine and translated to instructions, asciilifeform. Unlike an assembler, my MMC asks questions upon pressing keys, and all I do to write instructions is answer them in-turn, to get detailed descriptions of them; contrast this with writing mnemonics in a character file for an assembler.
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/08/venezuela-sentences-us-military-contractors-to-20-years-prison-after-failed-coup-attempt/ << The Montevideo Standard -- Venezuela Sentences US Military Contractors To 20 Years Prison After Failed Coup Attempt
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: admittedly i haven't used your item, but the process sounds not entirely dissimilar to the way my customized emacs worx
asciilifeform: the end result is still a text tho
asciilifeform only ever used 1 type of 'non-text programming' system -- electrical schematic editors. and they're a nightmare imho
asciilifeform: ... is the reason why chip design since mid-1980s abandoned schematic edit, and went to items resembling current-day verilog & vhdl (there was a series of earlier attempts)
asciilifeform: ( see also )
snsabot: (trilema) 2015-07-07 ascii_field: my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four
asciilifeform: $vwap
btcinfobot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 11741.57 USD
trinque: the fiat interfaces are starting to get entertaining again.
trinque wonders which one's going to get rolled over first during the next bubble
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018351 << exactly! sad how few programmers have realized this. "implementation definedness" is inimical to "code as knowledge representation" to speak nothing of "code as intelligence amplification."
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 16:37:14 asciilifeform: for that matter, asciilifeform had significantly more pleasant experience in computing in 1990s, on msdos, than on current-day 'opens'.
gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018360 << fortunately, I realized this already in 2014. was spared from the pro-FOSS phase which many programmers go through.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 16:42:57 asciilifeform: the 1 thing rms did that there can be 0 forgiveness for, is his ~deliberate~ choice to cultivate coad gnarl as 'theft defense' mechanism for e.g. gcc.
gregorynyssa: one of the catalysts for my disillusionment was when I decided (as a college student) to exhaustively read all the available documentation for GNU Emacs, front-to-back (thousands of pages) to better understand this platform which I was using every day. unlike many systems Emacs does reward learning... up to a point...
verisimilitude: That's not the way to learn Emacs, gregorynyssa.
gregorynyssa: I stopped using Emacs after that. played for a while with the various broken CL attempts to reimplement Emacs: Climacs. Hemlock. etc. now I just edit code using Ed, MicroEMACS, or some Windows editor.
verisimilitude: The proper way is to read the documentation, once wanting to actually use the features described.
gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: the data-model of Emacs gets uglier the more you study it, not unlike Git.
verisimilitude: Sure, but I'm perfectly willing to use Emacs for until I replace parts of it. I considered writing my MMC as an Emacs mode, but wanted more control. I could use Emacs for machine code programming, but never will, because I've my own dedicated tool now.
gregorynyssa: this seems to be a question of mere "usability" versus "instrumentability."
verisimilitude: To see a demonstration, there's a video in that linked article, asciilifeform; I'd re-record it, but I don't yet know of a tool to allow me to display key presses on screen well.
gregorynyssa: GNU software is barely usable; Emacs is probably the best of the lot. but my demands had risen by then to the higher goal of "instrumentability."
verisimilitude: I don't regard GNU as ``great'', merely ``better''.
gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: fair enough.
gregorynyssa: on a side note, the Emacs Lisp book had some passages which were truly silly and incoherent.
gregorynyssa: Section 2.2: "A name and the object or entity to which the name refers are different from each other. You are not your name. You are a person to whom others refer by name. If you ask to speak to George and someone hands you a card with the letters ‘G’, ‘e’, ‘o’, ‘r’, ‘g’, and ‘e’ written on it, you might be amused, but you would not be satisfied. You do not want to speak to the name, but to the person to whom the name
verisimilitude: I prefer documentation which is ``playful'' over ``professional''.
gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: then you will like this one:
gregorynyssa: "The drums or tapes that held a file and the central processing unit were pieces of equipment that were very different from each other, working at their own speeds, in spurts. The buffer made it possible for them to work together effectively. Eventually, the buffer grew from being an intermediary, a temporary holding place, to being the place where work is done."
gregorynyssa: "This transformation is rather like that of a small seaport that grew into a great city: once it was merely the place where cargo was warehoused temporarily before being loaded onto ships; then it became a business and cultural center in its own right."
verisimilitude: I'm truly not seeing the issue here, gregorynyssa. If wanting to read documentation devoid of any humanity, why not visit Github's official documentation?
verisimilitude: I'm sure any humanity left there is currently waiting to be purged.
gregorynyssa: these people had higher IQ than today's GitHub crowd, but there is a certain absent-mindedness and flippancy which underlies their work. where prose was concerned it was amusing, but as it happened, I started noticing this effect in their codebases as well.
asciilifeform: gregorynyssa, verisimilitude : if only wooden jokes in the docs were the only problem in gnu world..
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018395 << fwiw i did this. bought the official paper docs, even. (do they still sell'em..?)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:06:10 gregorynyssa: one of the catalysts for my disillusionment was when I decided (as a college student) to exhaustively read all the available documentation for GNU Emacs, front-to-back (thousands of pages) to better understand this platform which I was using every day. unlike many systems Emacs does reward learning... up to a point...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018399 << that's the thing, it's got nuffin resembling a rationally-designed model of anyffin whatsoever. it's a 40+yr archaeological 'midden' of kludge.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:14:39 gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: the data-model of Emacs gets uglier the more you study it, not unlike Git.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018400 << >> see also.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:15:28 verisimilitude: Sure, but I'm perfectly willing to use Emacs for until I replace parts of it. I considered writing my MMC as an Emacs mode, but wanted more control. I could use Emacs for machine code programming, but never will, because I've my own dedicated tool now.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-03 19:22:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-03#1015764 << i've a pertinent tale : 10y ago, asciilifeform tried to write a (naively, thought...) very simple proggy :
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018402 << afaik there aint one. just 1 of 'over 9000' basic tools that simply dun exist because opensorestards, by and large, sum to ~0
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:16:48 verisimilitude: To see a demonstration, there's a video in that linked article, asciilifeform; I'd re-record it, but I don't yet know of a tool to allow me to display key presses on screen well.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018404 << 'winners of Special Olympics'(tm)(r)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:17:18 verisimilitude: I don't regard GNU as ``great'', merely ``better''.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-08#1018413 << fwiw i'm 100% convinced that the authors of whatever scraps we're still using, either dead, enfungused, or left field entirely, by this point.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:22:45 verisimilitude: I'm sure any humanity left there is currently waiting to be purged.
feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-08-08 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- A Comparison Between my SHA224 and SHA256 Implementations
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 12 nodes...
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asciilifeform: $vwap
btcinfobot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 11661.65 USD
shinohai: Mornin' asciilifeform o/
asciilifeform: guten morgen shinohai
shinohai: I was just reading about "protestors" walking around Georgetown last night waking up whitppl for being white. Have these vermin made their way to your neighborhood yet?
asciilifeform: shinohai: nope. and they typically aint visible from here .
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-21 21:45:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: for mysterious (or perhaps not so mysterious, md for all its fuckuppitude still has, at least on paper, 'castle law') they seem to 100% stay in dc city walls here
asciilifeform is ~45min by train from the city proper
asciilifeform: shinohai: how are your local orcs doing ?
shinohai: None of the militant folks came back here after initial threats to tear down KKK founder statue. About 500 rednecks showed up with guns to the location and support magically fizzled away.
shinohai: Seems DC gets all the fun ones, like this group that claims they will lay siege to White house with laserz https://archive.is/edNRk
shinohai: Trump: "Jokes on you, I stare directly at eclipses"
asciilifeform: snoar, seems like the usual tedious dnc-scripted spectacle
asciilifeform: shinohai: they've been trying to set up a 'tiananmen', so far nodice
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