shinohai: nothing besides vwap, got it logging and testing to see how long it will remain online.
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verisimilitude: I want to program giving instructions to the machine, not writing text to be fed to the machine and translated to instructions, asciilifeform. Unlike an assembler, my MMC asks questions upon pressing keys, and all I do to write instructions is answer them in-turn, to get detailed descriptions of them; contrast this with writing mnemonics in a character file for an assembler.
snsabot: (trilema) 2015-07-07 ascii_field: my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four
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trinque: the fiat interfaces are starting to get entertaining again.
trinque wonders which one's going to get rolled over first during the next bubble
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 16:37:14 asciilifeform: for that matter, asciilifeform had significantly more pleasant experience in computing in 1990s, on msdos, than on current-day 'opens'.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 16:42:57 asciilifeform: the 1 thing rms did that there can be 0 forgiveness for, is his ~deliberate~ choice to cultivate coad gnarl as 'theft defense' mechanism for e.g. gcc.
gregorynyssa: one of the catalysts for my disillusionment was when I decided (as a college student) to exhaustively read all the available documentation for GNU Emacs, front-to-back (thousands of pages) to better understand this platform which I was using every day. unlike many systems Emacs does reward learning... up to a point...
gregorynyssa: I stopped using Emacs after that. played for a while with the various broken CL attempts to reimplement Emacs: Climacs. Hemlock. etc. now I just edit code using Ed, MicroEMACS, or some Windows editor.
verisimilitude: The proper way is to read the documentation, once wanting to actually use the features described.
gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: the data-model of Emacs gets uglier the more you study it, not unlike Git.
verisimilitude: Sure, but I'm perfectly willing to use Emacs for until I replace parts of it. I considered writing my MMC as an Emacs mode, but wanted more control. I could use Emacs for machine code programming, but never will, because I've my own dedicated tool now.
gregorynyssa: this seems to be a question of mere "usability" versus "instrumentability."
verisimilitude: To see a demonstration, there's a video in that linked article, asciilifeform; I'd re-record it, but I don't yet know of a tool to allow me to display key presses on screen well.
gregorynyssa: GNU software is barely usable; Emacs is probably the best of the lot. but my demands had risen by then to the higher goal of "instrumentability."
gregorynyssa: on a side note, the Emacs Lisp book had some passages which were truly silly and incoherent.
gregorynyssa: Section 2.2: "A name and the object or entity to which the name refers are different from each other. You are not your name. You are a person to whom others refer by name. If you ask to speak to George and someone hands you a card with the letters ‘G’, ‘e’, ‘o’, ‘r’, ‘g’, and ‘e’ written on it, you might be amused, but you would not be satisfied. You do not want to speak to the name, but to the person to whom the name
verisimilitude: I prefer documentation which is ``playful'' over ``professional''.
gregorynyssa: "The drums or tapes that held a file and the central processing unit were pieces of equipment that were very different from each other, working at their own speeds, in spurts. The buffer made it possible for them to work together effectively. Eventually, the buffer grew from being an intermediary, a temporary holding place, to being the place where work is done."
gregorynyssa: "This transformation is rather like that of a small seaport that grew into a great city: once it was merely the place where cargo was warehoused temporarily before being loaded onto ships; then it became a business and cultural center in its own right."
verisimilitude: I'm truly not seeing the issue here, gregorynyssa. If wanting to read documentation devoid of any humanity, why not visit Github's official documentation?
verisimilitude: I'm sure any humanity left there is currently waiting to be purged.
gregorynyssa: these people had higher IQ than today's GitHub crowd, but there is a certain absent-mindedness and flippancy which underlies their work. where prose was concerned it was amusing, but as it happened, I started noticing this effect in their codebases as well.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:06:10 gregorynyssa: one of the catalysts for my disillusionment was when I decided (as a college student) to exhaustively read all the available documentation for GNU Emacs, front-to-back (thousands of pages) to better understand this platform which I was using every day. unlike many systems Emacs does reward learning... up to a point...
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:14:39 gregorynyssa: verisimilitude: the data-model of Emacs gets uglier the more you study it, not unlike Git.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:15:28 verisimilitude: Sure, but I'm perfectly willing to use Emacs for until I replace parts of it. I considered writing my MMC as an Emacs mode, but wanted more control. I could use Emacs for machine code programming, but never will, because I've my own dedicated tool now.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:16:48 verisimilitude: To see a demonstration, there's a video in that linked article, asciilifeform; I'd re-record it, but I don't yet know of a tool to allow me to display key presses on screen well.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:17:18 verisimilitude: I don't regard GNU as ``great'', merely ``better''.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 23:22:45 verisimilitude: I'm sure any humanity left there is currently waiting to be purged.
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shinohai: I was just reading about "protestors" walking around Georgetown last night waking up whitppl for being white. Have these vermin made their way to your neighborhood yet?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-07-21 21:45:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: for mysterious (or perhaps not so mysterious, md for all its fuckuppitude still has, at least on paper, 'castle law') they seem to 100% stay in dc city walls here
shinohai: None of the militant folks came back here after initial threats to tear down KKK founder statue. About 500 rednecks showed up with guns to the location and support magically fizzled away.
shinohai: Trump: "Jokes on you, I stare directly at eclipses"
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