#asciilifeform | 2020-02-01

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Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: do you have experience with this claim ?

snsabot: (trilema) 2020-02-01 mircea_popescu: it doesn't even fucking save memory, the five bytes this'll save over a lifetime is dwarved by the five megabytes in extra libc needed to support the insanity

Apocalyptic: evaluating expression in if blocks seem to be well defined in C89, why would you need 5 MB, let alone extra libc to support that ?

asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: the part re 'massive chunk of libc' is plain nonsense, libc has 0 to do w/ the c grammar, and i've built 'over 9000' c proggies w/out libc linked

asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: even if were re the co

Apocalyptic: that was my thinking as well, had to double check

asciilifeform: compiler -- still exaggeration

Apocalyptic: I can see massive chunk of libc to be involved only by including new calls to functions

Apocalyptic: which clearly isn't the case here

shinohai: php. It rots the brain.

Apocalyptic: anyway just another mp-claim from arse then

asciilifeform: shinohai: fella doesn't program. this has both + and - sides. very often had ~right~ idea of 'how ought to work' specifically because not absorbed 'industry standard' nonsense.

asciilifeform: moreover, i dun expect folx who never had occasion to write (even toy) compiler, to have solid idea re what syntactic knobs are expensive to implement, and which -- cheap

asciilifeform: this sometimes applies even to folx who nominally 'went in for book larnin-'. e.g. gosling had notion that lambdas 'cost too much' when shat forth java. and van rossum, similarly, re python

asciilifeform: difficult to evaluate costs/roi of thing you dun use. there's a very specific mindset of some designers, where 'you wouldn't ask cow re how to design meat processing plant'

asciilifeform: see also.

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, it seems that phf is alive -- and updated patch display! ty phf. plz consider visit to #a !

asciilifeform: e.g. logotron tree nao current, also.

shinohai: oh hey, neato

asciilifeform: jfw's keksum also nao there.

asciilifeform: damaki: who might you be ?

asciilifeform: * damaki has quit (Quit: Leaving) << lol apparently these end up here instead of in #t nao... nfi

asciilifeform: in other lulz

asciilifeform: 5.101.0.209 - - [01/Feb/2020:22:56:21 +0000] "GET /?a=fetch&content=<php>die(@md5(HelloThinkCMF))</php> HTTP/1.1" 302 215 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/78.0.3904.108 Safari/537.36" "-

asciilifeform: poor sad phucks have nfi that there aint any php there..