asciilifeform was invited into the 'closed beta' , turned out -- mega-downer
Aerthean: asciilifeform: Hah! I missed much of the hype around NKS, read it years later. I do remember the Alpha hype. I also remember having a cynical attitude about it, but was cynical about most things those days.
asciilifeform: Aerthean: i was using, at the time, mathematica for industrial work. had 'own' sales rep, support contract, etc
asciilifeform: in the time when 'alpha' was being pushed, that is
asciilifeform: ( when nks -- was in school )
shinohai: BingoBoingo: I almost find it hard to believe she had tit implants 10 days and the guy hadn't motorboated 'em yet. xD
asciilifeform: shinohai: motorboated ?
Aerthean: asciilifeform: I work with a guy who uses Mathematica for a lot of stuff, and tried to sell me on it a year or two ago. He has the whole 9 yards, support contract, rapid updates, etc etc. Not my cup of tea.
shinohai: asciilifeform: "motorboat" v. int. The act of pushing one's face in between two ample breasts, and rocking one's head side to side very rapidly while making a vigorous, lip-vibrating "brrr" sound.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: Aerthean: generally if one finds that it is possible to solve $problem with ~anything~ other than mathematica -- oughta do so. ( and if cannot -- consider switching problem, and even profession... )
asciilifeform: and not simply because of cost, vendor-lock, etc. wolfram's support & bug handling makes microshit's look responsive and sane in comparison.
asciilifeform: at least this was the case 10y ago when asciilifeform last suffered the misfortune of dealing with said vendor.
Aerthean: In this case I think the guy either met or knew people close to Wolfram, so unlikely to change. I'm not sure he even has to pay for his copy.
asciilifeform: Aerthean: i dun think i've ever met anyone who actually paid for the thing, outside of corporate/usg context. and don't expect to.
asciilifeform: << possibly admitted this before, but asciilifeform is blind to the supposed beauty of the tit implants etc. in fact is 1 of them mutants who finds ~bottom~ half of a chix moar interesting..
snsabot: Logged on 2020-09-25 19:51:18 shinohai: asciilifeform: "motorboat" v. int. The act of pushing one's face in between two ample breasts, and rocking one's head side to side very rapidly while making a vigorous, lip-vibrating "brrr" sound.
shinohai: asciilifeform: despite being former tits baron, I'm actually bottom guy myself.
shinohai: mp certainly didn't get to see THOSE goods. ^.^
trinque: asciilifeform: interesting, at any rate he's put together a cult to try to run the cellular physics over the line
trinque: which is my first exposure to the idea
asciilifeform: trinque: i developed allergy. (to wolfram, not cell-physics.) but if you get into subj and find sumthing that wasn't in nks -- plox to write in.
asciilifeform wonders whether rebrand from 'new kind of science'(tm)(r)(c) to 'wolfram's physics'(tm)(r)(c) is step up or down in degree of megalomania ...
verisimilitude: I also find the rear to be better.
verisimilitude: I still need to finish Konrad Zuse's ``Calculating Space''.
verisimilitude: On the topic of cellular automata, I implemented an old maze generation algorithm from an Atari VCS game, which was just a cellular automata with two five-bit tables and some non-detperminism:
verisimilitude: Well, just a cellular automaton, that is.
verisimilitude: I've not published it yet, because it's in CHIP-8, and a maze isn't a game alone.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 16 nodes...
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.098s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : Alive: (0.105s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.167s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : Alive: (0.161s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.316s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391662 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.237s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=650092
watchglass: : Alive: (0.354s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=649809
watchglass: : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: whaack)
asciilifeform: $vwap
BusyBot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 10730.04 USD
adlai: !!wot
asciilifeform: adlai:
adlai: problem exists between server and chair.
asciilifeform: lolk
adlai is perhaps still persona non grata, in the One Web To Trust Them All?
adlai: !!gettrust deedbot adlai
asciilifeform: !!wot
asciilifeform: !!help
asciilifeform: hm trinque is deedbot wedged perchance ?
adlai rereads latest announcement , perhaps there was a change of policy w.r.t. in-channel services
asciilifeform: adlai: i ponied up for subscription for #a, normally deedbot worx
adlai: have ya never heard of the [][contrapositive to a heisenbug]?
asciilifeform: adlai: text the link, plz
asciilifeform: *then
asciilifeform: rly is this so hard to remember?
adlai: yes
asciilifeform: nuts.
adlai glances at barfed parse, 'good enough'
snsabot: Logged on 2020-09-26 12:48:05 adlai: have ya never heard of the [][contrapositive to a heisenbug]?
asciilifeform: adlai do you have a car ? do you also find hard to recall which side of road it goes on..?
asciilifeform: ( serious q. asciilifeform met 100% functional, even technical, folx who could not reliably recall which direction key turns in a lock used erryday, & similar )
adlai: markdown does [text](link), TMSR-under-MP did [link][text], I have no problem switching henceforth to [text][link] for castle stanislav.
asciilifeform: adlai: mp also used [text][link]. or how do you think old logs render in my viewer?
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-02-05 mircea_popescu: hey phf ben_vulpes and, i guess Framedragger : can i prevail upon you to have (just one) logotron recognize [url][anchor] syntax and render it as <a href=url>anchor</a> instead of the literal ?
asciilifeform: hm am i reading backwards or wat
adlai: old deedbot dust doesn't cover any further argument on this topic, so for all I care, use curly braces and angle brackets.
asciilifeform: am reading backwards. it's [link][text] errywhere, and in muscle memory
asciilifeform: will have to see wai adlai's pauli link dun render
adlai: nested
asciilifeform: ?
adlai did not answer a precise backtrace, just, the trivial badness that was in mind during boojugenesis.
asciilifeform: hm let's try this..
asciilifeform: yeah it's the _ .
asciilifeform: will fix in next rev. of logotron.
asciilifeform: ty adlai .
asciilifeform: pertinent ln. ftr.
adlai: thank ~you~, for being deedbot's only remaining patron during these dark ages.
shinohai: <<< Poor adlai. I did finally get around to rating you a few months back, you grew on me after a while.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-09-26 12:42:56 adlai: is perhaps still persona non grata, in the One Web To Trust Them All?
asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty sure it's simply wedged atm
adlai: !q seen-anywhere phf
snsabot: phf last seen in #asciilifeform on 2019-09-19 08:18:38: asciilifeform: yeah, some task i left running resulted in a heap exhaustion
adlai: !q seen-anywhere mike_c
snsabot: mike_c last seen in #ossasepia on 2020-03-25 13:34:39: In any case, I put a shutdown notice up and will close it in a few months.
asciilifeform: adlai: phf incidentally is alive, occasionally updates the vtree www. but we haven't spoken since the quoted line.
adlai actually reached for btcalpha, before starting to kicking the deedbot !
adlai wonders when [and whether?] mike_c will answer d_c's q, seeing as quite a bit of the old infrastructure rose and fell at his whim and expense.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-25 diana_coman: mike_c out of curiosity if you don't mind me asking - why now rather than at ~any other point in those many past years? since you say you never really had interest in it, it was just that you helped get it stood up at some point and nothing more.
adlai stares at "#ossasepia: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited" ; recalls "CAUTION: THIS SIGN HAS SHARP EDGES" lolgif ; and wanders off.
asciilifeform: adlai: it's outta biz, in case you missed
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-09-22 diana_coman: with this, the moving on is finally done for #ossasepia too: I devoiced everyone and removed all flags from all bots, feel free to take them offline as there isn't going to be any use for them in here.
asciilifeform: adlai: why, what didja lose there ?
adlai: lose? not much, although I am slightly puzzled that these abdicating lords choose to lock, sack, and torch their own castles, rather than merely retiring to some shangry-la.
asciilifeform: adlai: folx who mothball their fleanode chans normally lock'em, so not fills w/ liquishit. this is unremarkable.
adlai: e.g., d_c's dismissal of me was quite far from mp's designation of me as public enemy number karpeles, although the two castles seem to have reached similar states, from my perspective.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-12-28 diana_coman: adlai: unsolicited advice is for writing on your own blog, not in here; do write in here when you have some unsolicited but useful work you want to showcase.
asciilifeform: adlai: i dun recall why mp threw you. iirc for being a bore ?
adlai: arguably, lost nothing whatsoever, since the younghanded guitarist seems to politely ignore me, although 'knows where I live', if my advice, solicited or otherwise, is ever needed.
adlai: ah, so this is how you snore in Romanian!
asciilifeform: adlai: re blogs, it aint actually bad advice imho, you defo have enuff to say to keep a www reasonably filled
adlai: for the db
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-01-26 mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't.
adlai: indeed; and m_p's imperative, from years earlier, is still somewhere in the queue.
snsabot: (trilema) 2016-04-10 mircea_popescu: anyway, so i suppose in the "blogs that must be", we have "adlai - views from inside the insane asylum" and "phf - they have philosophy in russia even!"
adlai: it'll take a while, of course, although mircea doesn't exactly seem to be refreshing my blog every minute, waiting for "One Jew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" or whatever I'll call it
asciilifeform: adlai: didja ever consider taking asciilifeform's advice from that thrd ?
snsabot: (trilema) 2017-01-26 asciilifeform: adlai: also consider taking up useful work.
adlai: yes. they're not hiring!
asciilifeform: fughet 'they'
asciilifeform: didntcha have a buncha commonlisp experiment ?
asciilifeform: where did all of it go ?
asciilifeform: adlai: i can't speak for other folx, but if asciilifeform at any pt thought 'why write, no one will read' would never have written anyffin.
adlai: most sits in my hd; most of that, reflected by shithub; and some of that, also reflected by a handful of other silver-lined clouds.
adlai: I avoid writing more code primarily due to the horrible mess that I produced so far.
asciilifeform: adlai: there are many unsolveds that involve ~cutting~ rather than writing. wainot e.g. take gcc & strip the cruft. so many useful undone things that folx could do..
adlai spends 90% of the time that is arguably loggable as "trading", not writing code, nor reading the existing code, but meditating on how to avoid building multics when redesigning scalpl, which is queued for sometime in the next two years.
asciilifeform: adlai: or , if feeling mathematical, help find mistakes in ffa, for instance.
adlai: regrettably, my interest in mathematics has almost monotonically decreased since my peak days as 'mathlete' in high school.
adlai: FFA seems, from slightly more than arms' length away, to be an exercise in Ada, not mathematics; although, I may be quite mistaken!
asciilifeform: adlai: or, if still like 'trading' ? find a way to phase-locked-loop against the 'btc-usd fire extinguisher' cycle, get filthy rich..
asciilifeform: adlai: primary in mathematics. the ada is incidental.
asciilifeform: adlai: if fortran had clean array slice assignments, would've been in fortran.
adlai: there is an old joke, that asciilifeform may have actually never seen before, about how you can predict what a trader's college degree was, based on the kind of metaphor he uses to describe his 'signals'
adlai: like all old jokes, has ~infinite verses, one per field of college degree.
asciilifeform: haven't heard, if you can believe
asciilifeform 0 contact w/ traders etc. in civilian life
asciilifeform: adlai: ftr btw the only mathematics used in ffa is of the kind taught in grade school.
adlai: e.g., "phase locked loop" -> EE, "uncertainty reduction" -> physicist, "buy rumor, sell news" -> communist^H^Hcations,
adlai: oddly enough, the version of this joke that I originally encountered did not include anything about augury, astrology, etc; apparently it is embarassing to admit that there is value in uncorrelated randomness!
adlai: (a fact known to anyone who has studied programmatic trading seriously, whether in academia or at personal expense)
asciilifeform: adlai: notion 'market is random!!' is chumpfodder. particularly in re btc/heathen exch.
adlai: that is not what I wrote.
asciilifeform: see also thread .
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:54:51 asciilifeform: thimbronion: are you familiar with the 'paper gold' racket ? worx well enuff to keep 'price of gold' in check for ~century nao.
adlai: randomness, of the unwhitened, uncorrelated, uncorrelatable kind, is valuable when timing the spontaneous execution of a deterministic strategy.
asciilifeform: adlai: that yes
adlai: it eventually gets 'whitened out', or whatever colorless grue/bleen metaphor awakens your attention, by a sufficiently attentive observer; although it is indispensible in the short term.
asciilifeform: possibly i dunget it ? what can 'sufficiently attentive observer' do against a trng ?
adlai: meanwhile, my primary problem with 'useful work' is the same aversion Naggum described in paragraphs 1, 2, and 5
asciilifeform: adlai: i.e. erry problem you pick up, seems immediately a snore to you ?
adlai: you dunget the answer to an overly general problem, that neither of us stated; specifically, in the context of timing market orders, a TRNG does not increase profit; it reduces expected expense, by increasing overhead for someone counter-trading your specific strategy.
asciilifeform: adlai: right, i get this part - same reason mirv warheads have onboard trng..
adlai: in this context, 'sufficiently attentive counter-trader' can pretty much observe, eventually, that there is a certain strategy being executed with randomness added to reduce determinism; then, sigh, and search for other signals in the noise, while hoping that they have not increased gain past sane levels.
asciilifeform: fair'nuff
adlai: in the specific - and almost entirely orthogonal - context of the advertised purpose for which S.NSA sold FG units - "not much" !
asciilifeform: though to me still seems like an elementary failure in the original intent (i.e. nonrandom strategy but ideally indistinguishable from trng to folx w/out the key)
adlai: although, the two "not much"s are quite different flavors of epsilon.
adlai: perhaps mathematically equivalent to a grad student, although that is their problem, not mine.
adlai: not quite; the hypothetical nonrandom strategy is not supposed to be indistinguishable from trng, since it is only profitable due to the quirks of its non-randomness; the indistinguishability is within specific timeframes, smaller than the resolution at which the profit is expected.
asciilifeform: adlai: can you think of a reason why it'd have to necessarily be distinguishable to outsiders at any scale ?

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